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SpyderMike
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I'm with Iflyfast on this one. The slight weight vector translated into the overall mechanism is minimized by other losses/friction. Heck, you can compare arm muscle forces actuating the shift lever and the weight of the knob is minimized. There are too many other factors in the linkage that outway a few hundred grams.
I can't imagine that a weighted shifter would buy you much better shifter action until you take care of the losses in the rest of the system.
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Wow, we have a lot of engineers on this site.
I happen to be an amature gynocoligist, cunning linguist, and a master debator! 
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prototype4
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| Greenberg wrote: | Wow, we have a lot of engineers on this site.
I happen to be an amature gynocoligist, cunning linguist, and a master debator! |
But please, not a frenchman! 
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Listen, Proto, he's Canadian, not French. There is a difference!
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It is comforting to know about all the mechanical engineers on the web site. The next time I have complex math calculations that need doing I will post it. Practical experience beats theory all day long.
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SpyderMike
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sure does, and when you combine the two...
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| Im not an engineer -- but I have a patent - #5674226 |
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prototype4
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| DannyP wrote: | | Listen, Proto, he's Canadian, not French. There is a difference! |
The differance is emphisized by seperatist Quebec. I'll bet he knew I was driving at that too. To put my interest in context, in the 1970s', I worked with a Canadian National at Disneyland named Cameron Mummery. Cam was curious about the causes of the American War between the States. He was surprised to hear that the "no-divorce" docrtine of state admittance to the union was at the root. He said that Canada had a more liberal, "live and let live" policy. I replied that it sounded good, but that without national pluralism, Canada risked future self-annexation of Quebec by the vocal french minority (just like with Ireland from Great Britain). The British missed their chance when their 1700s' Quebec siege failed.
Never leave standing a seperate political entity incorporated into your midst. I have always been intrigued by Canadas' natural beauty, and sadly dismayed by this dire political possibility.
And now you know more than I intended. 
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I live in Canada's Capital, Ottawa. The french seperatist seem to never be happy and are always crying foul. 99% of Canada outside of Quebec and Ottawa speak english and almost no one speaks french.
Our "brilliant" government decided that the entire country coast to coast needs to be bilingual??? meaning all services need to be in both languages and anyone looking for employment within the government must be bilingual. It is truly sad to see this, the english just put up with all the BS and go on with life. Most everyone in top level govt positions is french simply because no one other than someone french can pass the exam. The english exam for the french is a joke. In Quebec they don't bother to respect any of this and have language police that prevent merchants from displying english signs. There are areas that remove the english section from the phone books at public phone booths.
The stuation here is like a bad marrage with Quebec always threatening divorce and we all know what happens from there, the outcome is inevitable. Quebec voted a few years back 96 or 97 on staying in Canada or seperating it was a slight margin for federalism but the seperatist party Bloc Quebec (funded with federal tax dollars) is alive and positioning for another round of votes.
We can only hope that in the next referendem all of Canada can vote on if we want Quebec to remain in Canada or not! After all the BS everyone has put up with over the years I know what the answer will be. In my opinion we will be far better off without them. Hate to have to say it but its true, we have all had enough of the BS, the sooner we cut them loose the better.
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| beck688 wrote: | | Im not an engineer -- but I have a patent - #5674226 |
It almost sounds painful! I guess you could use the extracted tissue to wipe the tears afterwards though.
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| The tissue was cataracts -- no tears. Got pretty good at cataract surgery though. In these cases -- tears were not an issue |
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| RBP wrote: | I live in Canada's Capital, Ottawa. The french seem to never be happy and are always crying foul. 99% of Canada outside of Quebec and Ottawa speak english and almost no one speaks french.
Our "brilliant" government decided that the entire country coast to coast needs to be bilingual??? meaning all services need to be in both languages and anyone looking for employment within the government must be bilingual. It is truly sad to see this, the english just put up with all the BS and go on with life. Most everyone in top level govt positions is french simply because no one other than someone french can pass the exam. The english exam for the french is a joke. In Quebec they don't bother to respect any of this and have language police that prevent merchants from displying english signs. There are areas that remove the english section from the phone books at public phone booths.
The stuation here is like a bad marrage with Quebec always threatening divorce and we all know what happens from there, the outcome is inevitable. Quebec voted a few years back 96 or 97 on staying in Canada or seperating it was a slight margin for federalism but the seperatist party Bloc Quebec (funded with federal tax dollars) is alive and positioning for another round of votes.
We can only hope that in the next referendem all of Canada can vote on if we want Quebec to remain in Canada or not! After all the BS everyone has put up with over the years I know what the answer will be. In my opinion we will be far better off without them. Hate to have to say it but its true, we have all had enough of the BS, the sooner we cut them loose the better. |
Oh, I feel for you, and not just as an uninvolved spectator. We Americans may (to paraphrase my current President), "Have a dog in this fight". If french seperatism succeeds, I fear the next ambitions could be toward a unification of former french territory (what is known here as the Louisiana purchase paid to King Louis centuries ago). The NAFTA multi-language requirement on packaging DEFINITELY left a bad taste in my mouth.  Given the American intolerance towards cessation, and the willingness to go to war over it which leaves terrorism as the sole option....... well, you know how it is. Oh well, back to topic. 
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Beck688 I did a search on your patent and it shows that Ray Gillies was one of the inventors. We had a member whos name was Ray Gillies. He was friends with Ed Black and bought his Beck...
Ray used the screen name of exboyracer on this board
Are we on the same page here???
Are you Ray or do you know Ray? The reason I ask is we were wondering what happened to Ed Black
I'm also sending this via PM
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for all that doubt that a 400 gram or .88 lb shift knob won't ultimately cause premature shift fork wear, go ahead and use one.
All I did was give advice. take it or leave it
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Listen to Larry.
The pressure is not good over the long run.
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